• obsidianfoxxy7870@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    2 days ago

    As long as it’s implicit right and is a reasonable price I 100% will be getting it. I am willing to pay someone else to securly hold my (e2ee) data.

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      7 days ago

      If anyone is actually going to get that right in a mainstream product, it will probably be Signal.

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        7 days ago

        Year according to a wiki page on the unofficial Signal wiki the backup will not be directly linked to the user “It appears that backups will not be directly linkable to a user. Authentication for operations against a given backup will use zero-knowledge proofs.”.

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    Makes sense., something as huge and expensive as Signal can’t run entirely on donations.

      • Wikipedia has way more donors, since it’s basically the only one of its kind. There is no Big Tech alternative to Wikipedia, so everyone just uses it by default. There are lots of other messengers though, so Signal isn’t the default choice.

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        7 days ago

        Wikipedia has a lot more donors, but also their costs are probably cheaper than Signal. They mostly host text and decently compressed images, Signal uses way more bandwidth and people share high quality videos and other huge files. The servers are very expensive, there were articles estimating their cost to be around $50M per year.

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    As long as they dont shove it down our throats, and then expand and expand and expand the features that are in their paid tier, and make you feel lesser for choosing their local only unpaid mode, and dont make the unpaid mode inconvenient with dark patterns.

    Its happened too much, I’ve asked my friends to hop through so many different platforms over the years and decades

    It always starts with something thats reasonable, and every time thus far, it expands into something I hate.

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    I have no issue with this, I personally wouldn’t use it but I get that they need to make money (which is why i have a recurrent donation every month).

    If this helps them to do that, then so be it

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    If this feature rolls out but you can’t pay for it. You can always use Molly (fork of signal). If you can support the project than do it. But if you can’t than don’t force your self

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        Well, if you didn’t know, Molly is a soft fork of the Signal Android client.

        But, I think both support making local backups of your chats.
        I do so daily and keep two copies. These get synced in real time to my little NAS and/or my PC/Laptop

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            Glad to be of help! I personally really like Syncthing, since it makes implementing a resilient decentralised backup strategy quite easy.

            Though I would recommend you go with “Syncthing-Fork”, as iirc the “vanilla” app was put into maintenance mode or smth like that

  • timbuck2themoon@sh.itjust.works
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    Excellent news honestly. Trying to get people to switch to something encrypted and the one thing I’ve thought of is that I want to know it can continue indefinitely. Everything else in life costs money- we just never think of it computer wise because we pay with our data and privacy.

    This can join threema with a solid revenue stream. I back mine up locally but would pay for this anyhow.

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    7 days ago

    All of my signal conversations have auto expiry

    Do people really use their conversation logs for things? Are you often searching your conversational logs?

    Outside of corporate compliance issues I can’t imagine the workflow for most people

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      Yes, and yes.

      “I said this was happening 3 weeks ago. Here’s the literal text of me sending it to you and you saying ‘Okay thanks’ in reply.”

      Shuts down an argument real quick.

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      I never set auto expiry and often search messages. Sometimes it’s because I want to find a specific fact or datum from two years ago; other times it’s just for a reminder of a memory. On occasion, if the history wasn’t there, people might remember something important differently.

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      Me and my wife and wife sends information, pictures , whatever. I often search my messages for stuff

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      Though the same I like my conversations disappear when I need to reinstall Signal.

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      Most Whatsapp users (my parents) want to keep logs of everything, its become normalised.

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      Yes, and yes. But most of it’s because I’ve moved all communication over to it.

      If I have anything that shouldn’t stick around it doesn’t stick around, If I need my grocery list from last month it’s there though.

      That said, I really don’t have any interest in backups. It’s an ephemeral stream at best that is there when I need it. And there are parts of it disappear when they’re no longer needed.

      The days where we presumed we could safely bitch about things to our friends over social media are clearly gone and privacy is of ultimate importance.

      Pretend it’s 1984, and you won’t get yourself in trouble.

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          Same, We do more than groceries though, It’s kind of fun anybody that needs anything just pops it in there

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      You are right, I don’t really search my messages that much. Most important conversion is going by email for most people still.