They also noted that unauthorized streams of illegally obtained (and) unreleased games compromise Nintendo’s prerelease marketing, which is an offense Keighin allegedly committed over 50 times, infringing copyright of 10 different Nintendo titles in the process.ľlľ
Come on… We are not talking about streamimg an old game (modified or not) on an emulator.
The guy played a game before it was even released and streamed it… And not only once, but with 10 different games. What an idiot… Was probably warned and ignored it, just like the court hearing…
Is this the dumbass thay was streaming the unreleased games that got leaked?
Not defending Nintendo one bit here, but like, you made your own bed with that one dickhead.
all my homies hate Nintendo.
Nintendo doesn’t care if you emulate old games on stream.
They do if it’s a live event which I don’t really get. Modded smash bros is just not okay at live events but hacked Mario World was at GDQ.
All that aside these games were not only new, but unreleased. He literally could have contributed to lost sales from potential buyers watching the games before they were released.
If they went after some SMW hacker emulating a three decade old game, sure. But they didn’t.
He literally could have contributed to lost sales from potential buyers watching the games before they were released.
By allowing consumers to be better informed of what they might have otherwise purchased?
I don’t normally victim-blame, but streaming an unreleased game is really asking for it.
It’s one thing to pirate a game for yourself. That’s just called being poor or being someone who doesn’t believe in copyright. The only party who can argue they’re being harmed is the developer, who may or may not have received a sale otherwise.
It’s another thing to pirate an unreleased game and stream it for others. If you do that and receive ad revenue or donations, you’re profiting off of someone else’s work. Not only that, but you’re also harming the console modding community by incentivizing the publisher to go after homebrew developers and emulator developers. It wasn’t a coincidence that shortly after some asshat streamed an unreleased Zelda game being played on Yuzu, Nintendo decided to finally come down on the emulator with an iron fist.
In conclusion, between pirating a game to enjoy yourself and pirating a game to play on a for-profit streaming platform, one of those two things is morally gray and the other is someone being a selfish fuck.
I got banned from Xbox live until year 9999 cause one of the Halo games leaked and I had a modded Xbox. I didn’t play online and I didn’t stream anything. But my account it accrued achievements. And those fuckers are dated. Lol. Connected the ol Xbox 360 back to the internet to watch Netflix a few months later not thinking about it. And RIP lol
Not only that, but you’re also harming the console modding community by incentivizing the publisher to go after homebrew developers and emulator developers. It wasn’t a coincidence that shortly after some asshat streamed an unreleased Zelda game being played on Yuzu, Nintendo decided to finally come down on the emulator with an iron fist.
There’s plenty of ways to stop piracy, Nintendo just doesn’t want you to play outside their walled garden. They could choose to facilitate emulation and let you buy their games from emulators and prevent piracy while not hindering emulation. They could choose to port their games to other platforms. But no, they crack down on emulation because it hurts their bottom line if people don’t have to buy a switch - or whatever to play their games. Fuck Nintendo.
Don’t get me wrong: Nintendo deserves no sympathy here. They could do many things to make their games more accessible, but they chose not to.
That’s not to say asshats like this deserves any either, though. The homebrew community and emulator developers step in to make Switch software interoperable, and they end up being the ones getting screwed over by both Nintendo and the people who provoked Nintendo.
the people who provoked Nintendo.
This is my problem with your argument, you’re saying that because of piracy they’re entitled to crack down on emulation. Piracy is just a pretext they’re using here. Emulation is legal and yet they’re doing everything in their power to stop it from happening, this has nothing to do with piracy.
Emulation is legal
Unfortunately, it’s not that straightforward anymore. Emulation of modern consoles exists in a legal gray area that may or may not be illegal under the DMCA.
With something like the Switch, the ROMs are encrypted in a way that they can only be unencrypted with keys that are derived from data baked into the console itself. Yuzu for example is still protected as an emulator for some hardware/software platform, but it wouldn’t be able to run retail games without being able to decrypt the ROMs.
And that’s kind of the problem. Creating tools for preservation and interoperability is permitted by the DMCA, but tools that are made in part or whole to bypass DRM measures is explicitly not. That conflict hasn’t been tested in court either, so the first ruling is going to be the one that sets the precedent.
This is my problem with your argument, you’re saying that because of piracy they’re entitled to crack down on emulation.
My argument isnt that they’re entitled to crack down on emulation because of piracy. My argument is that people blatantly and publicly using emulators to play pirated, unreleased games emboldens Nintendo.
I believe Nintendo isn’t willing to test that gray area in court without having something to support their anti-emulation position. What they want to do is bully devs into settling because it’s a low-risk way to kill development on the emulator without opening up that can of worms that could make Switch emulators unambiguously legal. But, the more evidence Nintendo gets to support their argument, the more confident they become in thinking they would end up winning if they don’t get that settlement.
Keep in mind that when they did finally go after Yuzu’s devs, they went after them for creating software to circumvent the Switch’s DRM (that gray area I mentioned) and not for creating an emulator. If they were actually confident in thinking the legal answer to “is an emulator that decrypts ROMs illegal” was “yes,” they would’ve just went after Yuzu a long time ago instead of waiting 7 years into the console lifestyle.
Nintendo continues to demonstrate why my personal boycott continues. What a shitty company.
I guess “Fuck around and find out” doesn’t apply here.
Don’t forget to mention bootlicking in your replies, lemmys.
Oh, it really bothers you that you can’t stream games before they’ve been released? It’s Nintendo’s fault, for everything, all the time! So much entitlement.
There should be no restrictions on video game streaming. To hell with the poor corporation and their “pre-release marketing”.
Bait 🎣
What’s even more funny is that you’re downvoted into oblivion, while Iheartcheese @lemmy.world gets praise for the same stance.
Did they spring for Dolby vision/atmos this time or cheaped out again?
all these n-letter company dramas streisand-effect’ed me into being interested in legal switch emulation - I never knew you can even play switch online perfectly legal on PC if there’s enough gamers backing up a justified defence against lawsuit-bully attempts by those suits
but yeah this guy here not the brighest light, is he
Dipshit was streaming games that hadn’t even been released yet.
Good, that’s exactly what Shitendo deserves
Well he sure showed them, didn’t he?
Is it possible to legally rip my games without a modded switch? I’ve been interested too but haven’t been able to get my hands on a modded switch.
Mig flash dumper and a mig flash cart
Better question: would it be legal if you couldn’t
However, as Keighin did not show up to court,
bro quite literally played the “sorry mario, the princess in another castle” card at them.
With the price they expect for games now, it’s going to get a lot worse for them.
Why is everyone pretending like they have a right to play Nintendo games? Nintendo says they want $X, you say their game isn’t worth $X, so you get something different instead. What’s the problem?
If you’re at a flea market and can’t reach an agreement on the price, do you just throw a tantrum at the vendor and take their stuff anyway?
It’s not a flea market. It’s a company that targets kids. Their prices are ludicrous, and will end up in another 3DS moment.
It’s a company that targets kids. Their prices are ludicrous
How does any of this make a difference?
Also for a company targeting kids there sure are a lot of whiny adults in these conversations.
they are literally behaving like apple.
and if theres no eu to regulate them fast enough, there will be free feast (keep in mind consuming games is very present in the culture of society in 2025) for predatory practices like price gauging or denying accessibility through emulation. Whats next, paying for voice chat? and after that, id verification and giving up all data rights for that as requirement to boot the consoles? all that while literally doing this in the most aggressive forms
You are comparing removing a physical object from a person to copying some data onto a flash drive.
Are you saying that the data has no value just because you can’t touch it?
Do you want to be the kind of guy that gets a portrait commissioned of yourself, get a watermarked preview version, then balks at the price the artist asks for, reject the work, refuse to pay the artist, AND THEN use the watermarked preview version for your profile picture anyway?
A better analogy would be if I printed out a copy of a painting I like.
I don’t control which games Nintendo makes. If I did, we’d have a sequel to Majora’s Mask and Mario Galaxy 3.
What if you own the copy but also have a copy
He was streaming an unreleased copy. Good luck owning that.
What if he had preordered the game?
what a sad life it must be to be the legal bully for a toy company, imagine wasting your life like that
Look fuck Nintendo but occasionally I border on victim blaming, especially when the person was caught streaming games that weren’t even released yet. What the fuck was he thinking? He painted the target on his own back.
Yeah, the two aren’t mutually exclusive; Nintendo is a shitty litigious company and the dude is a fucking idiot. The first rule of Switch piracy is that you don’t talk about Switch piracy, and this dude was blatantly streaming a game that hadn’t even released yet.
Well according to dude that called me a bootlicker they are very much incompatible lmao
Yeah, broadcasting to the world that you’re playing a game that hasn’t been released yet isn’t a great idea. Particularly when it’s Nintendo. It’s pretty common knowledge how petty they are even with stuff that’s less flagrant
They’d sue you for whistling the Mario theme if they could
why did you reply at me with a boot hanging out of your mouth
Yeah man we get it, piracy good, laws bad, yar har and all that shit. This guy’s still an idiot, and so is anybody defending him.
Dude Nintendo is a fucking bully of a company. They are insanely litigious and I hope people pirate the ever living shit out of them.
This guy is still a fucking idiot.
If you’re going to do illegal shit you need to shut the fuck up about it. Not live stream it and seek attention.
